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It's been really busy with grading and applications the last few days, and I haven't been able to finish my post about torture and legal definitions, but I can post at least something in the meantime. Here's a search that came in recently:

Can the Holy spirit create feelings of attraction that never existed in a marriage

We are talking about an omnipotent God, right?


Sure there aren't limits to omnipotence. More pertinent is:

"Does the Holy Spirit create feelings of attraction that never existed in a marriage"

You see feelings of attraction aren't necessarily linked with love which the Holy Spirit does create. No reason why a Christian marriage couldn't exist based on spiritual love and duty and no underlying physical/social attraction.

Isn't Christian love a kind of of attraction too?

Perhaps you'd tell me which kind of attraction you think Christian love is?

I'm not sure how if I would characterize love as an attraction.

Eh I think I agree. Charity, agape love, christian love, whatever you call it isn't really an attraction. Its a virtue, an act. Its something you do.
I looked over you discussion and I think it would be interesting if you read The Four Loves by C.S. Lewis. You probally had, but I was just pointing that book out because I think the way that Lewis subdivides all the areas of love, works very well. I think the main weakness of the discussion that your pointed the other fellow to, is that it doesn't distinguish "different types" of love. After all, you say "I love my wife, I love my daughter, I love hamburgers, and I love my dog" all in the same sentence, and yet you don't love your dog, hamburgers, wife, or daughter all in the same way. I think its pretty clear that Love can't be boiled down to just one thing. There are many loves. And just because these are distinct loves doesn't mean they don't intertwine. Actually that is the purpose of God-Love, of Agape love is to twine all the natural loves together.

I'm familiar with Lewis's work, and from what I understand most of his argument (relative to this issue) depends on mistaken assumptions about differences between Greek words for love when there really isn't all that much difference between the words linguistically, as biblical scholars pretty much all agree now. You can certainly distinguish between different things you mean by the English word 'love', but I'd rest virtually nothing on supposed differences between Greek words, and Lewis rests an awful lot on that.

The best works I know of on love are D.A. Carson's The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God and Love in Hard Places.

Whether or not there is a difference between the greek words is immaterial to me. I see the use of the greek words as only useful (and I think lewis would agree here) in that it allows us to have distinct terms for each of the loves. I think the biggest evidence I think for the idea of distinct loves, is by the fact that we love different things and people in distinctly different ways. All the res t about greek terms is immaterial really.

I think my more general worry is if he sees these loves as different things, when there's probably something tying them all together for them to count as love, both in English and in Greek. That's why I'd rather talk as Carson does of different senses of love rather than completely different things that are all called love. Now maybe Lewis would be fine with that, but that's my hesitation with talking as if these are separate things. I'm not sure they really are.

Well I don't think Lewis says they are completely different things. They are distinct, but life isn't so distinct. They bleed together, and mesh. The thing tying them together is ultimately Agape love,yes but I don't see where the problem lies in that. Different senses is a different idea, but I wouldn't say its really that much different than the Lewis theory from what I can tell. Distinct, different, but not serperate. God is the source of all love, so I don't think there is need to worry that these loves be divorced. (though that has happened before in christiant theology, something which Lewis specifically fights against).

I think my only worry is just I think while feeling is involved in Agape love, I think that we can't base Agape love as a feeling in totality. Its hard to love someone forever, when love is just a feeling that comes and gos.

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